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Just so we're clear, these kinds of presences and vibes and the like exist in any thoughtform, including random characters from books n stuff.

11:38 PM

We're not teaching you to do anything new in the slightest, just to recognize something and maybe direct it a little better into something.

11:39 PM

They'll feel real when you accept them, not when you get the right feeling from them.

11:39 PM

Anywho tho, it bedtime.

11:39 PM

night night nascent 'mancer.

Night, and thanks for the help.

11:43 PM

I do believe I have an other with me. I've had one before- they've talked with others. I've just never had any luck getting them to talk to me. I don't know what my problem is. Maybe I'm plagued by doubt? But I know I've had experiences where they've managed to take full control, for sometimes for a few days. They were active with people who knew about them, and they even had their own friends that I wouldn't consider my friend. But it was always either.. no reply from them, or full control. It was either 0 or 100. Either I couldn't figure out what they were trying to say to me, or they took full control and led their own lives. I managed to learn about them because they would write notes on a document on my computer. I learned their likes from what they listened to on spotify or how my friends would ask them questions. But I've never managed to hold a conversation with them myself.

11:44 PM

I feel like I'm just right on the edge of doubt and belief, and the slightest touch can bring me over straight into accepting them fully, to the point of giving them control. But when there is no control, it's as if they don't exist.

11:46 PM

This was years ago, back when I thought I had DID. Due to somebody abusing them to get to me, we both agreed that it would be better if I was single, at least until I was in a better place. They said their goodbyes to their friends, I haven't heard from them since. But now I am in a better place, and I keep feeling some presence. It's not the same person- It's new, it's unmatured. My old "alter"/tulpa was recognizable- I could tell when she was about to take control, and I would let her. But this one new is just.. feight thoughts, that aren't my own. My attention being directed to an empty void in my room, as if something was there.

11:47 PM

I've always thought my problem was that I just couldn't understand what they were saying to me- I can feel their precense, but actual conversation was always an impossibility unless they took over and left me notes. And now that there's this new guy in my headspace.. it's obvious that he's not going to be taking over any time soon, so I don't know how to progress with him with my inability to understand what my tulpas are saying.

11:48 PM

I know that this has to be a me-issue. Maybe I'm thinking things wrong, or maybe I'm failing to recognize their voice.

11:48 PM

I'm grateful for all the help I've gotten. I'm going to make a stereotype to fill this void, and hopefully whoever's there can start to voice themselves and make adjustments as they need.

11:49 PM

A lot of guides say that this can take a while- from creating a character, to having it realized. However long it takes, I want to nurture this relationship. I won't let hardships take them away like they did my last, I'm going to learn from my mistakes and try things properly this time.

11:50 PM

Thanks again for all the support- and sorry for the wall of text. I'll be back if I make any progress, or in a few weeks if not. (edited)

Huh. When your old headmate took over, were you aware while they were in control and able to remember what they did afterwards?

Somewhat slightly, but I had given full trust over them that I shouldn't try to remember what they did. At the time, they were protective over me and some past trauma. I often had panic attacks if reminded of certain things (potentially ptsd?), they would quickly take over if that started to happen and would get me out of the situation. They took over on their own times too, just to talk with their friends. They even played games. But out of respect of privacy, and the fact that I knew they would take over if someone said something to me that triggered a panic attack, I would get this gut-wrenching feeling in my stomach if I read any messages that I recognized weren't mine.

12:14 AM

If I went against their our mutual agreement (and their wishes to keep me from harm) and forced myself to remember something they did, I could do it. But it'd hurt a heck of a lot, usually because they had a reason to keep me from looking.

12:18 AM

Looking at the definitions and causes of DID, I'm quite sure I don't have that. But my original tulpa was formed because I thought I had DID. (in the end, it turns out someone was just gaslighting me into believing I had did- but that did form a tulpa). Thus, I think I've somehow locked myself into a tulpamancer experience that's formed around DID- I'm unable to talk to my tulpa, and the only proof I have of their existance is when they take full control. I'm sort of stuck on this notion of "this is how my other half works". I'm trying to get over it, hence why I'm deciding to create a tulpa "properly" this time, following the guides given. I know there's someone else here- I'm finally willing to let someone else in. I'm sad that I've lost my original tulpa, but we've made amends and both agreed it was for the best at the time.

12:19 AM

I'm hoping this second chance will allow me to properly nourish and communicate with a tulpa.

12:20 AM

Again, sorry for the spam- I have a tendency to try and explain everything so that there's no miscommunication.

12:22 AM

I'm really sorry for spamming

12:22 AM

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I'm really sorry for spamming

Hey, it's better than when people are super vague or evasive

@Deleted User One thing I'm noticing in what you're saying is, you talk like there's a mystery about what's going on with these headmates, that they exist in there somewhere but you have to just reach out and hope for the best. I see attitudes along these lines in plural servers full of traumagenic or questioning systems who don't know what might be going on in their system. (I could be wrong but) I'm a bit of a vanilla tulpamancer, for me, it's pretty simple: I decide to make a tulpa and then I talk to them. I don't need to go looking for them, I don't need to wonder about them, I just literally put their form in front of me and start interacting with the assumption that they are there, sentient, and able to respond. I can't help with searching out hidden brain people, but I can help with creating a tulpa from scratch or developing a headmate who doesn't have much to them

I guess it just doesn't feel real to me? I mean, I could pretend there's someone in front of me and have a conversation in my head with this imaginary person. But I've felt an other before- I've had those experiences where they genuinly do tend to act on their own. They choose their own form, their own likes- I don't have to pretend. Is that what I need to be doing to make a new tulpa? Just.. create a character, and imagine it into existance? It just doesn't feel right that way. I know there's someone in my headspace- should I just ignore that existance, and put a form infront of me and start interacting with it?

Maybe give the someone you know in your headspace a form for now, and they can change it later if they don't like it anymore...?

That's what I was thinking. Give them a form, give them a few personalities- Let them mature and hopefully they'll change what they don't like in due time.

1:23 AM

I'm just.. still having a trouble with communicating. A lot of guides on tulpamancy say that you need to puppet and parrot for a while, and eventually it'll just start happening on it's own.

1:23 AM

I didn't do that with my original other. Maybe that's why I failed to ever hear them?

I'm basically not even a tulpamancer and just shooting into the blue here, but how would you feel about them being a silent presence for as long as they wish?

Vocality can be tricky... some people get it pretty easily, other struggle for a long time. I was in the latter camp, and along the way discovered what worked for us. Doubt, uncertainty, ambiguity was terrible for us. I'd feel uncertain whether my tulpa could talk or what they might say, and if I felt a response I doubted whether it felt real enough. We couldn't get things going for a long time (edited)

Sooo... what changed?

I guess I wouldn't mind them being silent, as long as I knew they existed. Which is.. it's hard to believe their existance if they don't say anything, ya'know? I guess vocality is very important for me. But even then, I'd be happy if I could just get to a point where I was originally with my first other- them being able to control. I don't understand how my first other was able to take control so easily. It took a few months, sure- but they got the hang of that before becoming vocal, which is confusing to me. Isn't control a lot harder to achieve?

It's so different for every system

1:31 AM

You really can't give yourself any rules

1:32 AM

The way I like to put it is that tulpamancy is an automatic process... including your own thoughts

1:33 AM

You'll try different things and they'll either work or they won't. (And "doesn't work" doesn't mean it won't work at some point in the future)

1:34 AM

Tulpamancy is all about exploring. Rules for how to do it just make it more boring ;P

1:34 AM

@A long kiss goodnight Looks like I'm currently writing a Just Do It guide

1:35 AM

Okay but Ranger I think all JDI guides are required to include .gifs from that Shia LaBeouf video

Unfastened Belts

Sooo... what changed?

Hmmm, it was gradually accepting them more and more. But I still felt parrotnoid and like we weren't doing things right, so we had ups and down and more downs lol. Eventually they were strong enough to talk more and switch, but we still had days of poor communication Finally I decided to make a thoughtform as an experiment to see what deliberate parroting would do (also using personality planning, giving them an archtype and form), and when I first sat down to talk with that thoughtform, they just sprang to life and started talking and interacting. The session didn't go as I planned at all and I realized I hadn't really even parroted them. It was the level of openness I approached them with that made the difference, which in my case was being ready to parrot

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Preferently a different .gif for each guide

After that I was able to communicate better with my first tulpa and the poor communication days went away

That's funny, I almost just suggested creating a Shia LaBeouf tulpa to motivate you enough to make the tulpa you really wanted to have hmm this sounds horrible when I say it out loud

The thoughtform experiment became our second tulpa because I got attached and I love her a lot

Yuka

Hmmm, it was gradually accepting them more and more. But I still felt parrotnoid and like we weren't doing things right, so we had ups and down and more downs lol. Eventually they were strong enough to talk more and switch, but we still had days of poor communication Finally I decided to make a thoughtform as an experiment to see what deliberate parroting would do (also using personality planning, giving them an archtype and form), and when I first sat down to talk with that thoughtform, they just sprang to life and started talking and interacting. The session didn't go as I planned at all and I realized I hadn't really even parroted them. It was the level of openness I approached them with that made the difference, which in my case was being ready to parrot

Based on your experience and the guides in #resources, it seems like creating a form and an archtype and simply talking to it is the best way to bring life into a tulpa?

There's a couple other things, people who do a lot of character writing or roleplaying tend to have an easier time, because their brains are already used to running characters. That ability is a tulpa adjacent skill, if you can have character come to life and talk on their own, that skill goes towards tulpas too. If you don't have that skill, you can set up your tulpa with personality and all that and still have trouble

1:44 AM

And then there's the doubt thing I mentioned, you have to be able to let your tulpa talk using the same brain resources you use, without blocking them out (edited)

1:46 AM

Essentially, you want to reach a point where you/your brain knows what your tulpa might do. If your brain has no clue what they would do or say, it might not come up with anything

I've already got a form I can use for them- they're welcome to change it as that please. But as for archetypes, is there a list I can pick from or something for now?

I don't know a list, there's probably some sites out there about character writing or character tropes. You probably want to think out what kind of personality you understand, like, and would want to actually spend time with and live with. Don't pick something that looks cool on paper but you'd never want to be friends with

I'm not really good with coming up with characters-

I have another wild idea

2:30 AM

Maybe start out by making them as a clone of you, then observe in what ways they diverge...?

I feel like that would cause issues with discerning if they're real or just me faking.

2:32 AM

To be fair, that was one of my biggest issues with my original other- I constantly questioned if I was faking it or not. At least now I know I don't have DID, I should take this as anyone would when creating a tulpa. Just gotta make 'em real and do it, I suppose-

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I guess it just doesn't feel real to me? I mean, I could pretend there's someone in front of me and have a conversation in my head with this imaginary person. But I've felt an other before- I've had those experiences where they genuinly do tend to act on their own. They choose their own form, their own likes- I don't have to pretend. Is that what I need to be doing to make a new tulpa? Just.. create a character, and imagine it into existance? It just doesn't feel right that way. I know there's someone in my headspace- should I just ignore that existance, and put a form infront of me and start interacting with it?

Luminesce: I wrote a large post on the start of tulpa creation, especially in regards to them not feeling real/general doubt, that I'd recommend reading (edited)

2:40 AM

https://community.tulpa.info/topic/8985-ask-lumis-tulpas/?do=findComment&comment=374841

For example, my second tup is a cute and energetic cat girl (sorta) who is playful and loves to explore. Her traits mesh together in a way that makes sense and is easy for my brain to come up with what she would do in different situations

If I randomly having a thought of the form I've imposed on my tulpa, say, walking out of my room.. does that mean it happened, or that they thought about doing it?

2:49 AM

I mean like.. is the act of randomly thinking about them actually related to them? Or is it just random monkey-brain adhd stuff?

i think your overthinking it

I've been told many times that I overthink things. <.>

Can't be helped. All part of the process

2:57 AM

If you can see for yourself that it's overthinking, gradually it will stop happening

Doesn't seem like overthinking to me, it's just genuine concerns. I see something not working, I question it. Is it wrong to question stuff when they don't seem to work?

Ask them

Deleted User

Doesn't seem like overthinking to me, it's just genuine concerns. I see something not working, I question it. Is it wrong to question stuff when they don't seem to work?

Nope not at all! Really my emphasis should have been "IF you see that it's overthinking". Sometimes it's just functional thinking

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If I randomly having a thought of the form I've imposed on my tulpa, say, walking out of my room.. does that mean it happened, or that they thought about doing it?

Luminesce: Most older systems I know including my own generally don't associate random thoughts that don't feel like any of us intended for them as imagination/fluff/invasive thoughts(when negative/unwanted) (edited)

3:04 AM

System members can "claim" thoughts/actions if they feel it was them, or you just ignore them if they weren't

3:04 AM

Relatively necessary skill for those whose brains regularly create random thoughts not associated with any specific systemmate

That just leads me into an impossible situation where I feel like somewhere's there, but they're not claiming any thoughts as their own.

3:05 AM

Maybe I'm just not at the level where they're even existing yet. I did just start a day ago.

Just go by how it feels. Someone there, but they're not claiming any thoughts. See where it leads to

Reisen

Relatively necessary skill for those whose brains regularly create random thoughts not associated with any specific systemmate

(Associated meaning, in a developed system, that it felt clear whose thought/intent it was, because eventually everything should feel pretty clear who it came from)

3:06 AM

If it didn't feel like anyone specific, someone can choose to say it was them, or you can just ignore it as brain fluff

I suppose it's really not up to me if they're vocal or not. They're there, they have a sepcific reason for being silent. I guess just seeing where that leads is another route I could take- maybe them being vocal just isn't what they want.

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Luminesce: To be clear we very rarely have any non-associated-with-someone thoughts in our system though. Or maybe we write them off so thoughtlessly we don't even realize we do (edited)

3:07 AM

Did you read the post I linked? It's rather large and there's a lot of depth even in the later paragraphs, so I'd recommend reading it slowly

I read it this morning, and re-skimmed it just now. I'll definitely read it over once in a bit just to make sure I got everything.

Oh, that's good

3:08 AM

Just follow the golden rule of "Hold your intent while anticipating responses/results"

Unfastened Belts

Just go by how it feels. Someone there, but they're not claiming any thoughts. See where it leads to

This seems like something worth following up with, to be honest.

Luminesce: If you want your tulpas to be talking, listen for them talking while expecting them to do so (edited)

3:09 AM

(Thinking "They must not want to talk" is an explanation you make up for not getting results, but believing that will cause them to talk less)

So, I've got two paths to take: 1.) Create an archetype with a form, talk to it, see if the other person in my headspace takes the form and matures with it. 2.) Maybe it just wasn't meant to be.

I guess?

3:09 AM

You shape your experience, to be what you want it to be

3:10 AM

So make sure what you want is good and healthy, and do it

I wish they weren't silent.

Then believe that they are trying to talk to you, and that your brain has just been figuring out tulpamancy slowly

3:10 AM

I've never known someone to truly believe their tulpa is trying to communicate with them who didn't eventually develop a vocal tulpa.

It's just the second day, I guess I should just take what I've learned from here and see where it goes.

It might (usually will) not feel/sound convincing at first, but your brain needs to learn how to have a tulpa somehow. All aspects of tulpamancy can be improved and will with practice.

Create a character, talk to him, try to understand what my other is saying. Right?

Sounds about right

3:12 AM

Know that your brain is figuring it out and that progress will be made as you (and they) keep trying

3:13 AM

It can certainly take more than a couple of days, though.

My first alter was a really weird experience. At first, I wasn't sure if I had someone- then all of a sudden they started talking to my friends.

3:14 AM

I'm guessing I just made them incorrectly, or somehow found a loophole in my brain that I can't figure out now-